You can read the post by Michelle Malkin here. What bothers me most about Michelle and and her band of merry followers is their willingness to sell everything for the movement. Forget her Catholicism . . . she’ll sell the Pope down the river, call him an elitist, if, God-forbid, he expresses a desire to care for those who do immigrate to America (yes, illegally!). She’ll allow atheist bloggers and commentators on her sites (HotAir is a perfect example) to constantly mock the Catholic faith, the Catholic Church, and never a peep from her.
Malkin, Ingraham, Hannity, and many more Republican strategists have sold their souls to the movement. Congratulations. I’ll never forget (perhaps I’ll forgive – one day) how I was told, no drilled, to believe that Guiliani was a legitimate candidate for President because he understood the big issues of our day. Or how Mitt was the savior of the Republican party. Are you kidding me? Two of the biggest liberals to ever put an ‘R’ by their names on a ballot – and I’m supposed to give up my standards for them? Yet, McCain was an untouchable? Hypocrites – the lot of them.
Excuse me while I filter my politics through my faith rather than the converse.
UPDATE:
Great post to be found here. Can’t vouch for the remainder of the site, but he/she says it better than I did above.
April 19, 2008 at 9:22 am |
tizzidale, I have sent Michelle an email expressing disappointment as well. The Pink Flamigo link has no words. Maybe you could cut and paste.
April 19, 2008 at 10:05 am |
The Pink Flamingo link works for me. Anyone else?
April 19, 2008 at 10:23 am |
tizzidale,
As a long time reader of Ms. Malkin’s blog I cannot express how upset and offended I was at the post in question. I have sent her an email expressing my disappointment with this unwarranted display of ignorance and vile anti-Catholic bigotry. All this is increasingly convincing me that as devout Catholics, we will always feel out of place in the two party system. Your comments on Ms. Malkin’s blog, as well as those of a few other posters (zorro and englishqueen01 come to mind), were the only reasonable thing I read. Thanks for your post, it was good to see someone else out there that realizes that one’s faith should always come before one’s politics. (As an aside, I couldn’t view the link either.)
God bless
April 19, 2008 at 11:20 am |
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April 19, 2008 at 12:02 pm |
tizzi, can you edit, remove my tag line (the last line) from my above comment for privacy? Thanks Joe
April 19, 2008 at 12:28 pm |
Sure thing, Joe. Also, I can’t get the link to *not* work
Here it is again: http://thepinkflamingo.blogharbor.com/blog/_archives/2008/4/18/3647736.html
April 19, 2008 at 4:21 pm |
What’s ironic is that the very faults that Conservatives have accused Liberals of possessing:
1. Hannity claiming that Prof Ward Chamberlin (sp) was without a soul, because of his rantings regarding 9-11
2. The fight against abortion, as it is believed by many Americans to be murder, while Collateral Damage (to include innocent women & children) is acceptable
3. Exaggerated Claims, Unjust Characterizations, Slanderous Speech…. acceptable by these Christians.
Yet… we are shocked when the Right tells us, openly, that they will not let a Representative of God and Christian principles shadow Nationalism.
April 19, 2008 at 5:30 pm |
Thanks tizzi, and yes, that link works!
God Bless you.
April 20, 2008 at 2:24 pm |
Well, it is happening again. Another out of control comment thread on her No, I’m not Bill Maher post. Very sad, the kos kids must be rolling on the floor laughing.
April 20, 2008 at 8:27 pm |
Colin (and tizzidale):
Thank you for the kind words. I am englishqueen01 and the writer on Modern Commentaries, the blog Michelle linked to where she claimed I called her anti-Catholic. I have apologized on the blog and amended the post (because I honestly did mean to focus on the thread and not her specifically).
I also sent Michelle an e-mail early this morning apologizing again. I don’t expect her to reply on a Sunday, but I hope she reads one (or both) and that we can start a dialogue on this outside her site.
I want to make it clear here and elsewhere that I was not the blogger who likened Michelle to Bill Maher. That was another blog, but I will admit I did tell one commenter (who repeatedly called the Pope a Nazi, even after I proved that wrong) that s/he sounded like Bill Maher.
Michelle and Maher aren’t in the same universe. I respect Michelle. I wouldn’t so much as give Maher the time of day.
I am deeply upset by this. So much so I cried last night after I saw the update on Michelle’s blog. I don’t know if I’m going to comment there again – at least it won’t be in the near future.
I understand immigration is a hot button issue. I’ve gotten 16 comments on my blog (as of 9;17 pm CST today 4/20), most are in support of me. A few accuse me of being “too sensitive” or “not focusing on the issues.” Apparently, calling the Pope a Nazi, personally attacking those who defend him, and ignoring perspectives from the other side qualify as “focusing on the issues.” Likewise, if you don’t like to see people spread lies and falsehoods about your faith, you are “too sensitive”. Quite the dichotomy.
It’s nice to know I’m not alone because I felt I was standing in the middle of chaos, screaming at the top of my lungs and not being heard.
I’m a convert to Catholicism and before I made that decision I made a personal agreement that it was an all-or-nothing proposition. As in, I was either going to accept everything about Catholicism or not convert at all.
I’m really as anti-illegal immigration as they come, and I believe the Catechism’s correct on matters of immigration (see: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2241.htm) are correct and just. I find breaking the law (which illegal immigrants and their enablers do) appalling, and the crimes committed by illegal immigrants are tragedies that are 100% avoidable.
But immigrants are still human beings – illegal or otherwise – and the implication they should be denied basic necessities like food and shelter crosses a line for me. I do not think it morally sound to say someone should die or suffer because they are an illegal immigrant.
I think it was made pretty clear that I – who received much support and praise for comments on other threads on MM.com – was suddenly persona non grata for refusing to (as someone else said) filter my faith through politics – I prefer it the other way and I won’t cherry pick what I will and will not believe to suit anyone’s political agenda.
I repeat that I am very sorry things blew up so, but I believe Michelle has an obligation to reign in the comment threads on her blog. Like you Joe, I noticed the “I’m not Bill Maher” post has well over 300 comments and I didn’t even bother looking in on it.
I’m going to wait and see how things play out over the next few days before I go any further.
April 21, 2008 at 9:06 am |
Amy P.
Inspirational…. When our Moral values & Political Ideologies clash, I’m pleased to see that our Moral obligations reign. It would certainly be more inspirational if many, to include both Liberal & Conservative would cease justifying hatred with the word of God.
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April 21, 2008 at 1:25 pm |
Amy P.
I have continued to leave a few comments at MM.com and have emailed Michelle asking her to at least take the “Pope is a Nazi” comments out. A few of the commenters have apologized for getting out of hand. As you say, immigration is a touchy subject.
In the end, we should all pray for Michelle, each other and our country.
May God Bless you all.
April 21, 2008 at 2:04 pm |
I agree with Amy in that I do not see where upholding and enforcing the law should deprive any person, illegal or otherwise, of basic human rights and neccesities. That does NOT mean that, once over the fence, these persons have a right to stay here.
Find them, detain them, and in a secure location give them water, food and proper medical attention. Then send them home.
April 21, 2008 at 2:56 pm |
Whatever the merits of your posting above, Laura Ingraham should not be included with Malkin & Hannity. That is manifestly unfair to her, a relatively recent convert and far more reasonable in her comments than Malkin. I have not heard Laura slam the pope. Period.
April 21, 2008 at 3:03 pm |
Ingraham’s attacks against McCain and attempts to push Romney sickened me. She’ll remain in my list.
April 21, 2008 at 4:04 pm |
Judge Bork also endorsed Mitt Romney. Many people, like Ingraham, were honestly hoping he was being honest. I really can’t see how McCain is any more honest with his sudden ‘growth’ into a more pro-life person than Mitt Romney was. A politician is a politician is a politician.
April 21, 2008 at 4:36 pm |
There is a difference between endorsing Mitt (and hoping that he’d changed his stripes) and castigating McCain over some of the same stuff Romney was guilty of. It was shameful.
April 21, 2008 at 5:04 pm |
For the record—I’m with you, Rusty.
I used to like Laura, but her immgrant-bashing has turned me off.
April 21, 2008 at 6:57 pm |
You certainly have a point.
April 21, 2008 at 9:20 pm |
Ingraham maligns those with whom she doesn’t agree routinely. i listen to Ms. Ingraham each morning (DC Metro Area/AM 570) and often hear her slander persons on the Left, assigning them a position of Godlessness and possessing the intent to corrupt the minds of children and society. She is one of many who nurture a climate of “Us Against Them” and her practices are far from the Catholicism that she claims.
Whether a “recent convert” or life-long Catholic, all persons of faith who malign the children of God with Rhetoric that is inflammatory, false and demeaning., are wrong. Ms Ingraham’s grouping with Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, Levin and others is quite fair, as she assumes a just position to attack those with whom she doesn’t agree and attributes her ill will to a faith in God.
April 21, 2008 at 9:21 pm |
Ingraham maligns those with whom she doesn’t agree routinely. i listen to Ms. Ingraham each morning (DC Metro Area/AM 570) and often hear her slander persons on the Left, assigning them a position of Godlessness and possessing the intent to corrupt the minds of children and society. She is one of many who nurture a climate of “Us Against Them” and her practices are far from the Catholicism that she claims.
Whether a “recent convert” or life-long Catholic, all persons of faith who malign the children of God with Rhetoric that is inflammatory, false and demeaning., are wrong. Ms Ingraham’s grouping with Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, Levin and others is quite fair, as she assumes a just position to attack those with whom she doesn’t agree and attributes her ill will to a faith in God.
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April 22, 2008 at 1:53 am |
“Forget her Catholicism . . . she’ll sell the Pope down the river, call him an elitist, if, God-forbid, he expresses a desire to care for those who do immigrate to America (yes, illegally!).”
Disagreement with the Pope is hardly “selling” him down a river.
No one suggests that immigrants NOT be helped during a trying time. The U.S. immigration policy is among the most generous and inviting in the world. The United States is, however, very much entitled to require that those immigrants enter the country legally.
Yes, one can remain fully Catholic while acknowledging and respecting immigration law. Apparently you and those who disagree with Malkin prefer to hear no immigration law, see no immigration law, speak no immigration law.
That this is even a controversy is mind boggling.
Malkin is absolutely right in her observation that
“It’s one thing to show compassion to legal immigrants, legitimate refugees and asylees, and those abused and mistreated by smugglers. It’s quite another to support the systematic undermining of an orderly immigration and entrance system that imposes limits, eligibility requirements, criminal background checks, medical screening, and a commitment to assimilation. There is nothing Christian about facilitating illicit, illegal activity…”
Quite right. And if you seek filter all this through Catholicism, the evangelist Mark records Jesus saying, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
http://bible.cc/mark/12-17.htm
One CAN help immigrants while simultaneously respecting immigration law.
~ Sisyphus, proud child of LEGAL immigrants, http://www.tsfiles.wordpress.com
April 22, 2008 at 2:01 am |
“i listen to Ms. Ingraham each morning (DC Metro Area/AM 570) and often hear her slander persons on the Left, assigning them a position of Godlessness and possessing the intent to corrupt the minds of children and society. She is one of many who nurture a climate of “Us Against Them” and her practices are far from the Catholicism that she claims.”
I listen to Ingraham regularly and she is excellent. She doesn’t “slander” anyone! (If she slandered people “often”, she would be off the air VERY quickly.) Some of the people with whom she disagrees ARE Godless and it’s not wrong to say so.
Or now Catholicism in 2008 means laying in fetal position, passively disagreeing with no one, and standing up for nothing? Jesus would never agree with such a sentiment.
~ Sisyphus, http://www.tsfiles.wordpress.com
April 22, 2008 at 7:06 am |
Sisyphus,
The problem is that the Pope *did not* systematically undermine our immigration laws (not that those laws work – I mean, isn’t that the point of the whole anti-illegal movement?). Malkin and Tancredo (et. al.) took the Pope’s visit as an opportunity to bash perceived liberal tendencies in the Catholic Church here in America. My Gospel tells me that I should visit those in prison. And I’m assuming not just those who are actually innocent.
April 22, 2008 at 7:20 am |
tsfiles
A few points here:
“If she doesn’t “slander” anyone! (If she slandered people “often”, she would be off the air VERY quickly.)”… I don’t believe that you’re being intellectually honest here. The radio is littered with the slanders and lies of Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage and yes Ingraham on a daily basis. To assert that she wouldn’t be on the air if she was slanderous is not an morally honest assessment… and discouraging.
“Or now Catholicism in 2008 means laying in fetal position, passively disagreeing with no one, and standing up for nothing? Jesus would never agree with such a sentiment.”…
No one has attempted to redefine the Catholic stance on issues as passive. Your approach to discussions regarding the Catholic church and how its followers Lead is unfortunately similar to that of Hate Radio personalities…. To argue from the extreme…
If someone says… “I think it’s going to rain”, your response is “So now you’re going to take my right of assembly away, forcing me to go indoors because you believe it’s going to rain. This only happens to Catholics. You wouldn’t have forced me to move during the Clinton Administration. You’re elitist! Why don’t you love your country enough to respect the rights of this who simply want to stand outside?”
April 22, 2008 at 7:22 am |
What I Learned This Week
April 22, 2008 at 7:41 am |
tsfiles
On the February 13 edition of her nationally syndicated radio show, discussing the February 12 Black History Month event at the White House, host Laura Ingraham noted that “[President Bush] welcomed [Rev.] Al Sharpton to the White House,” and added: “I hope they nailed down all the valuables.” Ingraham then aired an audio clip of a portion of Bush’s comments at the event and remarked, referring to Sharpton: “I can’t believe they let him through the front door there at Black History Month.”
From the February 13 edition of Talk Radio Network’s The Laura Ingraham Program:
Media Matter – Laura Ingraham
On the March 21 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, while discussing Sen. Barack Obama’s handling of the controversy surrounding remarks by his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Rush Limbaugh asserted that, “in dealing with this, [Obama] has thrown his white grandmother under the bus, and then, yesterday [March 20], drove the bus backwards and ran over her, where he threw her under the bus, by calling her a typical white woman.” He added: “[I]t is clear — now, this is the stuff, this is the part that might bother some of you. It is clear that Senator Obama has disowned his white half, that he’s decided he’s got to go all in on the black side.” Limbaugh had earlier said: “[Y]ou know, opening these race wounds like this, taking us back 30, 40 years, making it look like no progress has been made — what Barack Obama has done — I’m going to say something here that might offend — or not offend — but might maker some uncomfortable. But it is clear to me that there has been a major transformation in Senator Obama.”
Media Matter – Rush Limbaugh
I’ve read & listened to these men, who’s work is considered blessed by God sadly enough. Those who support a more Liberal view of theology have equally slandered members of the church, as Malkin has, and should also be spoken against……
It is more unfortunate, however, that we hear this from those who profess such a Great Love of God, yet, express such Hated for His Children.
What I Learned This Week
September 13, 2009 at 7:05 pm |
My sister died because of illegal alien drug dealers. As a Catholic, I am right on board with Michelle Malkin – the Catholic Church should stick to religion not
a poster child for illegal aliens. Malkin for President.